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Question regarding usage of language comparison texts/sample texts on Wikipedia

Around two weeks ago, I asked a question at the Teahouse regarding whether there is any "official popflock.com resource policy" regarding the selection of comparison texts or sample texts for different languages (e.g. Lord's Prayer, Article 1 of the UDHR, The North Wind and the Sun etc.). I was redirected to WikiProject Languages where I asked the same question again on the talk page. Since it's been, well, a bit over two weeks and I haven't got any response, I thought I'd ask here.

The question is this: on the popflock.com resource articles on different languages, there are often example texts or language comparison texts that are used to give a brief idea of the character of the language and to compare it with English. However, as far as I can tell, the selection of these texts is not consistent: for example, Latin uses a sample of De Bello Gallico, Esperanto uses a sample text about dragons in China and Article 1 of the UDHR, French language also uses Article 1 of the UDHR, and so on. Is there any specific popflock.com resource policy regarding what text to use as a sample text/comparison text, or is it down to editor judgement? If there is an official popflock.com resource policy regarding this, could you please provide a link to the corresponding page?

Thanks -- MeasureWell (talk) 09:57, 10 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@MeasureWell:, to my knowledge, there is no such policy at Wikipedia. It's pretty much up to the editors contributing the text, although if anything turns out to be contentious, in the end, it would be up to consensus, just like pretty much everything else here. Does that answer your question? Mathglot (talk) 10:18, 10 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Mathglot: Yes, thank you, this hits the nail right on the head. Also, thanks for the (for Wikipedia, extremely) quick response :) -- MeasureWell (talk) 10:28, 10 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@MeasureWell: It would be impossible to select a specific text, because there would always be languages it hadn't been translated into. Even if you were to go into the field and get someone to translate it for you, a translation of The North Wind and the Sun or the UDHR could be so artificial (and full of foreign words) that they wouldn't be representative texts. Even the Lord's Prayer, which has probably been translated into more languages than anything else, would be difficult to render into a language that doesn't have the concepts "lord", "hallowed", "kingdom", "debt" or "sin". Yeah, you could translate it, but the meaning would be opaque and perhaps incoherent. So better IMO to select a text that was composed in the language rather than translated, and spoken or written by someone considered a good speaker/performer of the language. Something like the UDHR would only be appropriate IMO for a language where the concepts and vocabulary it contains are well-established. -- kwami (talk) 22:48, 13 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Joshua Katz, linguist

I recently created a draft for Joshua Katz (classicist). Does he appear to meet notability for his academic work? Thank you, Thriley (talk) 16:55, 20 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The page popflock.com Resource: Notability (academics) describes generally accepted standards for academics. As the draft stands, it is not obvious to me that Professor Katz meets the standards.
  • I don't see significant coverage in independent sources
  • The article doesn't mention a national honor, named chair, or election to a highly selective society.
  • The article doesn't indicate that Professor Katz has been editor of a notable journal or has served in the highest level position of a university or academic society.
Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 09:50, 22 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see in this morning's newspaper that Joshua Katz is gaining some media coverage for issues not directly related to his scholarship. That is separate from WP:Notability (academics), but see also WP:NOTNEWS. Cnilep (talk) 01:36, 24 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Upvote for access to John Benjamins in the WP Library

Hi all, please upvote for my suggestion to access the John Benjamins e-Platform in the popflock.com resource Library: the link is here, search for "John Benjamins" and click the "Upvote"-button. The site hosts Diachronica, Journal of Historical Linguistics, Linguistics of the Tibeto-Burman Area and loads of other journals relevant for this project. -Austronesier (talk) 20:39, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've wondered if anyone at the TWL team looks at that page, let alone gives it any serious consideration... It looks barely moderated, with lots of duplicates and copyvio site suggestions. Access to Benjamins would indeed be nice though. Nardog (talk) 17:15, 9 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hope never dies. But yes, the page is a mess and eventually its posts might turn out to be as effective as letters to Santa. -Austronesier (talk) 08:33, 11 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

When the going gets tough, the tough get going

Your comments at either discussion at Talk:When the going gets tough, the tough get going would be appreciated. I'd be inclined to delete the article per WP:NOTDICT. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 00:01, 19 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Miroglyph

Would some of the members of this WikiProject mind taking a look at Miroglyph? It's newly created, but didn't get reviewed by AfC. I've done some minor MOS cleanup, but it's still contain way to many Wikilinks to pages that don't really need to be linked. There's also a question about whether it meets WP:NOTNEO, but that would be better assessed perhaps by users more familiar with articles about neologisms. The article appears to have been created a part of a university course (popflock.com Resource: GLAM/UNIPD/Digital_History). The course appears to be for an Italian University and some of the content in the article might be translated from other popflock.com resource articles, but I'm not sure. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:31, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeísmo IPA

An editor that's been edit warring with me on Spanish language over the inclusion of a third IPA transcription with ??? (so [kaste'?ano] alongside [kaste'?ano]) is continuously refusing to engage with me on Help talk:IPA/Spanish#Yeísmo. Instead, he's writing blatantly false edit summaries such as Undid revision 1095685100 by Sol505000 (talk) rv per Help:IPA/Spanish: For terms that are more relevant to regions that have undergone yeísmo (where words such as haya and halla are pronounced the same), words spelled with ?ll? can be transcribed with [?]. In this instance, the two most common standard forms are helpful. See also article text: In most dialects it (/?/) has been merged with /?/ in the merger called yeísmo when it is clear that Castellano is not one of "terms that are more relevant to regions that have undergone yeísmo". Not only that, the guide explicitly says that ??? is to be used INSTEAD of ??? in such cases. Do we really need to retranscribe hundreds if not thousands of words to make the variant with [?] explicit? Your input would be appreciated. Sol505000 (talk) 11:04, 30 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oxford English Dictionary at TERF

Editors are invited to comment at the following RfC: Talk:TERF#RfC: Oxford English Dictionary. Crossroads -talk- 17:53, 11 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A repeated violation of MOS:PRON on Help:IPA/Basque and the corresponding IPA transcriptions of Basque on Wikipedia

User:Akerbeltz has been edit warring with me over the inclusion of the primary stress mark on Help:IPA/Basque and the corresponding IPA transcriptions of Basque on Wikipedia. Per MOS:PRON (section Other languages), the two should agree with each other. I invite you to join the discussion on Help talk:IPA/Basque#Stress mark. Sol505000 (talk) 17:08, 13 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Now taken to the Administrators' Noticeboard. Sol505000 (talk) 21:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requested moves: List of Romanian words with possible Dacian origin > List of Romanian words of possible pre-Roman origin

All comments on a possibly controversial moving proposal would be highly appreciated here. Borsoka (talk) 03:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Announcing template Wiktionarylang

New Template:Wiktionarylang may be used to add a small box flush right with a link to a term in a foreign language wiktionary. If you're familiar with {{Wikisourcelang}}, the operation of the new template is similar, and uses the same four positional parameters, and adds one more to allow you to specify 'section' (as in this example), 'paragraph', and so on instead of 'article'. Mathglot (talk) 02:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

V?ddhi

I've refactored this page a bit and added discussion of the form of v?ddhi (proto-v?ddhi) present in Proto-Indo-European and its relation to Sanskrit V?ddhi. Does anyone have any thoughts on the third section? I moved some content to the origin section, but I wasn't sure what do do with the rest. Jajaperson (talk) 09:46, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


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