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Join the Months of African Cinema Global Contest!

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Greetings!

The AfroCine Project invites you to join us again this October and November, the two months which are dedicated to improving content about the cinema of Africa, the Caribbean, and the diaspora.

Join us in this exciting venture, by helping to create or expand contents in Wikimedia projects which are connected to this scope. Kindly list your username under the participants section to indicate your interest in participating in this contest.

We would be awarding prizes to different categories of winners:

  • Overall winner
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We would be adding additional categories as the contest progresses, along with local prizes from affiliates in your countries. For further information about the contest, the prizes and how to participate, please visit the contest page here. For further inquiries, please leave comments on the contest talkpage or on the main project talkpage. Looking forward to your participation.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 19:22, 22nd September 2020 (UTC)

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Someone have a look?

The article Superstar (2015 film) is up for deletion and I was wondering if anyone could have a look for sourcing. It feels like there should be more out there, however Google isn't the greatest at searching non-European or American English websites. I was wondering if someone who is more familiar with getting around this could look for sourcing, to see if it passes NFILM as at present there really isn't enough to firmly establish that it does. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) () 03:15, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to the attention of the WikiProject, hopefully someone has a look...keeping in mind the geographical bias that may arise on such films.HandsomeBoy (talk) 18:18, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

The Months of African Cinema Contest Continues in November!

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Greetings,

Thank you very much for participating in the Months of African Cinema global contest/edit-a-thon, and thank you for your contributions so far.

It is already the middle of the contest and a lot have been achieved already! We have been able to get over 1,500 articles created in over fifteen (15) languages! This would not have been possible without your support and we want to thank you. If you have not yet listed your name as a participant in the contest page please do so.

Please make sure to list the articles you have created or improved in the article achievements' section of the contest page, so that they can be easily tracked. To be able to claim prizes, please also ensure to list your articles on the users by articles page. We would be awarding prizes to different categories of winners:

  • Overall winner
    • 1st - $500
    • 2nd - $200
    • 3rd - $100
  • Diversity winner - $100
  • Gender-gap filler - $100
  • Language Winners - up to $100*

We are very excited about what has been achieved so far, but your contributions are still needed to further exceed all expectations! Let's create more articles before the end of this contest, which is this November!!!

Thank you once again for being part of this global event! --Jamie Tubers (talk) 10:30, 06 November 2020 (UTC)

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First woman/women elected to parliament

Hello. I am aware that Wuraola Esan was the first woman in the National Assembly, as an appointed Senator. Does anyone know who the first woman (or group of women) elected to parliament was? Cheers, Number 57 18:27, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Number 57: When you say "Parliament", I believe you mean "Federal House of Representatives". My hunch tells me Patricia Etteh, but will double check and get a reference for it.HandsomeBoy (talk) 05:02, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Margaret Icheen was the first woman speaker of any Nigerian legislature 1, 2 HandsomeBoy (talk) 05:06, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Franca Afegbua was the first woman elected senator in Nigeria 1. HandsomeBoy (talk) 05:18, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
From my findings, Margaret Ekpo and Janet Nwadiogo Mokelu were the first women parliament members at state level. HandsomeBoy (talk) 05:39, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Also want to point out that when Wuraola Esan became a federal senator (from 36) in 1958, there was no woman member of house of representatives (from 312) in history yet 1. HandsomeBoy (talk) 06:01, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Since there was no woman in the house of rep election of 1959, then we need to check if the next election, which is 1964 Nigerian general election if it produced a woman.HandsomeBoy (talk) 09:09, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
I have found some references stating that the first women (possibly three) were elected to the House of Representatives in 1979. The article on Janet Akinrinade claims she was elected to the Constituent Assembly in 1977, which would make her the first. However, I cannot find any information about the 1977 election and am wondering whether there really was a proper election, or whether delegates were indirectly elected by other bodies? Number 57 09:23, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
I'm also a bit confused by the claim that Esan was a Senator from 1958; the source claims that this happened at the 1958 elections, but there were no federal elections in 1958 (there were in December 1959). The sources I have seen say she was appointed in 1960,[1][2] (the latter gives her appointment date as 8 January 1960, which would be more logical if she was appointed after the December 1959 elections. Number 57 09:29, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
@Number 57: Sources suggest there were elections in 1958 and 1959, what is unclear is if hers took place in 1959 or 58 (it may be possible that for some odd reasons, her constituent election happened earlier than other regions in Nigeria). I won't also rule out the possibility of an error from references stating it happened in 1958. This sort of discrepancy in records is one of my motivations of contributing to Wikipedia. I believe popflock.com resource should be used as a tool to propagate correct information even when some sources could be missing it. Secondly, I am not convinced that a legislator in 1979 will be the first. According to the scholarly article, "Women's Political Participation in State Legislatures in South West Nigeria" (2018), it says "...The first republic (1960-1965) saw only an insignificant number of women in Southeast playing prominent roles. In the Eastern house of Assembly for instance, only two women were members. Mrs Margaret Ekpo and Mrs Janet Muokelu. From 1960 - 1965, there were only two female legislators in the federal parliament and four female legislators in the whole country...". This suggest to me that we had female legislators during the 1964 elections! HandsomeBoy (talk) 05:52, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
The two it refers to are Esan and Bernice Kerri, who was appointed to the Senate in 1964.[3] The vast majority of sources state Esan was appointed in 1960;[4] the 1958 election was her being elected to Ibadan Urban District Council.[5] Number 57 12:01, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Obinwanne Okeke

HandsomeBoy, good evening. I made a discovery that MIGHT need the attention of this Wikiproject. A certain JoshuaMokwuah made some edits on Obinwanne Okeke. Considering the fact that he's yet to be proven guilty, I do think that some edits needs to be reverted until he's proven guilty -- my thought though. Timi (talk) 19:13, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

@Timileyin Olalere: I have gone through most his changes, and I have to agree with you that I am not comfortable with may of them. At the same I want to be careful not to remove additions based on my personal assessment, and not necessarily against policy or guideline since that might be tending towards WP:OWN, and everyone should be able to freely contribute on Wikipedia. I also do not have enough time to invest in this article at the moment, but if you can make specific edit suggestions, I will review and make the changes on the article. First of all, I am going to remove the "...is a Nigerian fraudster." as the first sentence, as I believe that is giving undue weight to an individual that has only been convicted once. If he is sentenced, I'd rather have "...is a convicted Nigerian entrepreneur". Please send me your suggestions, so as to save me time, thanks. You are doing a great job monitoring the article.HandsomeBoy (talk) 06:08, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
@HandsomeBoy: I'm not Timileyin Olalere but I do have some "style-related" input: Any sentence that says "... is a convicted ..." should be followed by the crime he was convicted of, or possibly a layman's term for the crime if the actual charges are in "legalese." "Convicted [nationality] entrepreneur" is confusing, "... is a convicted [criminal charge] and entrepreneur from [nation]" or "... [nationality] entrepreneur convicted of [criminal charge]..." or something similar would be much better. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 14:23, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
@Davidwr: thanks for stopping by, and providing your always insightful interpretations of popflock.com resource policies and guidelines. I have definitely taken notes and will apply that in the future. That being said, I will like to know what you think about the lede sentence for this article. When Bri created this article, the lede read "Nigerian businessperson", which I felt is more appropriate than the current "Nigerian fraudster" that was introduced by JoshuaMokwuah in September 2020. Before the fraud case, he was probably borderline notable (or soft/weak delete) as he has been independently featured on BBC, Forbes and several other Notable Nigerian media outlets. Plus, while he has already pleaded guilty, the case is still the court. I made a change, but was quickly reverted by Iridescent. Initially, I wanted to ignore and will still do, but since you are here I would just love to know what you think just for enlightenment purposes or in case of another similar situation in the future. Maybe I am just being too careful, but I think before popflock.com resource categorizes someone as a fraudster alone as the intro lede, there should be more than what I am currently seeing as in the case of Invictus Obi. I was not convinced by the if most sources call someone a fraudster, then he should be addressed as such on popflock.com resource argument by Iridescent.HandsomeBoy (talk) 23:23, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
I'm not the best person to ask as I am not familiar with the judicial situation in Nigeria, but thanks for asking anyway. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:33, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much. HandsomeBoy (talk) 23:39, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

We are usually very careful with BLP articles because of potential harm to the subject. I'm not sure how a popflock.com resource article could further harm someone who has pled guilty to a $11M fraud case in a U.S. federal court. The guilty plea relieves us of concern IMO; BLP protections wrt to a description as a "fraudster" seem irrelevant now. If we want to be extra careful maybe "confessed fraudster" would be appropriate, but I don't see the necessity. - ? Bri (talk) 04:11, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@HandsomeBoy: @Timileyin Olalere: @Davidwr: Obinwanne Okeke has pled guilty for the charges against him before a federal judge. Bri brought this to my notice. He cannot be an 'alleged fraudster' after a sworn confession has been accepted by a federal judge. This made sense to me hence the change. I'm Nigerian too so I quite understand the sentiments but I don't think they are relevant to the article.
HandsomeBoy sorry for not being quite active (Job issues and all). I guess the decision has been made. But I do still believe the article isn't just right. I'm not affiliated to him or anything but it's quite awkward to me. Nevertheless, if it's among the popflock.com resource policies to throw the positive side of an article and only give the negative side (idk what happened to the neutral view policy: WP:POV) then it's totally OK by me. Timi (talk) 01:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Members of Borno State House of Assembly

Are members of the Borno State House of Assembly generally presumed notable? That is, do they generally receive enough coverage to meet WP:GNG? In the United States, the equivalent groups - the members of the 50 states' legislatures - would almost always qualify under WP:GNG. I don't know if the same is true in Nigeria or not, so I am asking. A new editor has drafted an article on a newly-elected member here. The draft needs major trimming upon acceptance, but if notability is not clear, I won't bother moving it into the main encyclopedia. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 04:12, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

According to WP:NPOLITICIAN, elected state members of house of assembly should be notable. Considering that Borno State is in the Northern region who have limited internet penetration, you might not find many online sources to meet GNG. Personally, if I see such an article in mainspace, the only thing I can do is to add maintenance tags for more references and improvement. I think it has every right to be in mainspace (as long as no other policy is being broken), I will open the article rightaway for more context. HandsomeBoy (talk) 12:11, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
I guess my question was more along the lines of "is there anything particular about Nigerian politics that would say otherwise." Hypothetically, a nation could have "state legislatures in name only" that had no real power and whose elected members received no more press coverage than a small-town mayor would. As an analogy, in the United States, some county- and city-level lawmaking bodies are basically toothless, in others, they exercise a lot of power and, while not "automatically" meeting WP:NPOLITICIAN since it's not a "state-level office," their members stand a good chance at meeting WP:NBIO or WP:GNG. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:33, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
They actually do. State has a high level of independence and immunity from federal. What I find troubling is that there is another prominent individual by the same name (likely a relation)1 2. There might be sources in Hausa, if we can get this to a stub, it will be fine by me. HandsomeBoy (talk) 18:52, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Is this appropriate?

I wanted to make an edit at Hushpuppi when I received a warning from a higher authority. So my question is, since Obinwanne Okeke is a fraudster (who's yet to be proven), don't you think it would be appropriate if Hushpuppi can be edited? What am I saying? The short description says: "Nigerian Socialite" instead of "Nigerian Fraudster" and the lead sentence isn't anywhere close to what we know him as, someone who isn't "warned" should tell me on what to do. Timi (talk) 22:06, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Funny thing is while a pre-fraudcase Ivictus was a celebrated entrepreneur that founded several companies with many high profile individuals on the board, Hushpuppy is a narcisitc fraudster who use stolen funds to buy expensive cars and display on social media. But popflock.com resource hierarchy will rather soften its stance on him, appalling! HandsomeBoy (talk) 06:25, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
@HandsomeBoy, I just peeped the Invictus obi article creator and was surprised it wasn't a Nigerian who created the article. In my opinion & from how the article was worded, e be like say Invictus don scam baba or do baba strong thing or person wey him sabi. Celestina007 (talk) 06:45, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Celestina007 Hahahaha....*dies*. One would have thought hushpuppy should be the one with more enemies. HandsomeBoy (talk) 10:48, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
HandsomeBoy, Exactly my point! Na Hushpuppi be the real OG wire wire here. If my hypothesis is correct & Invictus did in-fact run street on top that article creator head or person wey him sabi, lol that one be say Invictus don buy market finish. Imagine running a Wikipedian street Your public image don enter one chance be that.
In any-case, I have however re-worded both articles to what I'd deem encyclopedic, unbiased and relatively neutral. Celestina007 (talk) 21:13, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
@Celestina007:, Thank you so much. I am 100% in support of your wording, hopefully it doesn't get reverted again. Good job! HandsomeBoy (talk) 10:36, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Ahmed Yusuf (Gamaliya)

This was moved into the main encyclopedia without sources and poorly written. It now has one source and I've cleaned up the writing a little.

How you can help:

  • If you are highly confident that this person is NOT "notable," nominate it for deletion. Please check for sources before nominating though.
  • If you are highly confident that this person IS "notable," say so on the talk page, provide some good references either in the article or its talk page that remove all doubt, then remove the {{notability}} template.
  • If you can help find suitable sources, add them to the article if they back up what is in there now or, if they are suitable sources but aren't needed yet, add them to the talk page so other editors can use them to improve the article. Once enough solid sources are actually being used, remove the {{BLP sources}} template.
  • Do what you can to help with the tone of the article to make it more encyclopedic. When it's good enough, remove the {{tone}} template.

A note to the primary page authors, AhmedYusuf123 and Geedado: You are encouraged to help out, but I would ask that you not remove the three templates mentioned above. If the page is improved and the templates have not been removed, put a note on the talk page asking for someone to review the page and either remove the template or tell you what more needs to be done. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:29, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

He fails N:POLITICIAN as he is a statewide politician that was not elected but appointed. The commision he represents is even under the supervision of the Federal Minister of Finance. HandsomeBoy (talk) 14:27, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Can I?

List of Nigerian entrepreneurs; is a popflock.com resource list article with notable Entrepreneurs who (i) has few amount of number of citations to back up their notability (ii) and the citation method used is relatively 'strange' or awkward and hard to understand. Few weeks ago, I received a warning after trying to expand Erica's article and somehow I decided to be indoors with my drafts. So, I wanted to know if I can go on to expand articles needing citations and give them a better tone. PS: An experienced editor can guide me while I do the job. PSS: Can I across create articles listed in the article for creation section on the project home page?, Ty,

Pinging. Sir and Ms

Timi (talk) 22:23, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Timileyin Olalere:, great to see you again. The reason List of Nigerian entrepreneurs does not have many references is because it only contains the name of the entrepreneurs, with a strict inclusion criteria that an article must exist for an entry to be added. There are many similar lists like that on Wikipedia. While that might not be the best practice, it is allowed since the wiki-linked article would already have references. Concerning Erica, to me she is close to passing WP:NACTOR, but she needs to have significant role in at least one or two more films for me to be comfortable with her being in mainspace. I might be wrong, and can understand if another editor thinks she is already notable because of her cult following, but based on existing consensus among many experienced editors on Wikipedia, participating in Big Brother Naija is not a credible claim for notability. Same reason Tacha, Efe, CeeC, Tboss are all regarded as not-notable (Some were deleted via AFD discussions. You can see this discussion for some insights Tacha Tacha2. Note that Efe won it, Erica didn't.). But in the case of Erica, even before BBN, she was already a fast upcoming actress, so I think her chances are brighter than everyone of the other nn BBN housemates that I mentioned. Till then, you can continue to improve the draft or seek alternative views from some other Wikipedians who think she's already notable. Let me know if anything is not clear, regards. HandsomeBoy (talk) 12:58, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you @HandsomeBoy: for the kind reply; sadly I'm not the creator of Erica's article and it's the least of article's on my mind.
The List of Nigerian entrepreneurs is a popflock.com resource list and I'm aware of this. I wanted to acquire the permission to expand these notable articles. I wanted a "Yes. You can" and "No. You're not allowed" Timi (talk) 20:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Timileyin Olalere Ohhhh.....but you don't need my permission or the permission of anyone to contribute to Wikipedia. I don't even have the power to stop or give anyone a go-ahead to edit on Wikipedia. Please feel free to contribute, as long as you follow popflock.com resource policy and guidelines.HandsomeBoy (talk) 10:39, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
@Timileyin Olalere: When you say "I'm of this" do you mean you are an entrepreneur in Nigeria? You should read WP:Conflict of interest and WP:Paid-contributions disclosure before editing. If you intend on editing in areas where you have a conflict of interest, it is strongly recommended that you follow that guideline. If you are being paid to edit Wikipedia, you must disclose this as outlined in the "paid-contributions disclosure" policy. As a general rule, writing about yourself or anything closely connected to you is strongly discouraged (see WP:Autobiography). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) ? 16:15, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
@Davidwr: "..and I'm aware of this". It was a mistake. @HandsomeBoy: alright, oshey. I'll be making edits then. Thank you ? Timi (talk) 00:49, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Nigerian women's footballers / soccer players initiative

Hello! We recently started an initiative WP:WOSO-NG at WP:WOSO to improve articles related to Women's football / soccer in Nigeria. Please consider joining! Any contributions are appreciated. We could also use extra eyes on articles nominated for deletion within this topic. Thank you!


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Thank you for your contributions to women's football/soccer articles. I thought I'd let you know about the Women's Football/Soccer Task Force (WP:WOSO), a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of women's football/soccer. If you would like to participate, join by visiting the Members page. Thanks!

Hmlarson (talk) 15:47, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this here Hmlarson. You can also join the Nigerian project page and choose an open task to work on.HandsomeBoy (talk) 16:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Music criteria

Can someone with Nigeria Entertainment Awards to his name with verifiable source be qualified for a music criteria? BadEdithor (talk) 09:09, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@BadEdithor: Depends, is it a nomination or actually winning the award? I would say winning an NEA is a good claim of notability, especially since there will be an increased likelihood that other credible sources would cover such individual, but if its just a nomination then it gets more subjective. Depends on the category, year of the ceremony, etc. While the NEAs is a notable award, its awarding process is not as thorough and critically acclaimed as The Headies. A nomination in a main category of the Headies will almost certainly translate to notability.HandsomeBoy (talk) 12:43, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
He won the category he was nominated for and that was in 2017 with reliable source, can that still pass? BadEdithor (talk) 18:24, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
@BadEdithor, just so we are clear, who do you intend writing about? Celestina007 (talk) 20:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
As Celestina007 stated, please tell us the musician, so we can just give you our own opinion on its notability status.HandsomeBoy (talk) 21:25, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Deshinor. BadEdithor (talk) 21:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Before I share my view, I'd like you to know that whatever I say is advisory based on my experience as an editor; especially when it comes to African entertainment articles, which is the aspect on popflock.com resource I am mostly involved in. But it's still at your prerogative to decide to either heed to it or seek further clarification elsewhere, there will be no hard feelings as WikiProject Nigeria is a friendly environment, similar to what is offered at WP:TEAHOUSE.
I have done an exhaustive search on the singer, and the summary of my findings is that as regards passing the requirements for WP:NMUSIC, it is still a case of WP:TOOSOON. This is further emphasized since he won the "most promising act" category at the NEAs, which shows he has potential to be notable, but after assessing his musical career from then till now, I am still not convinced he is there yet. Assessing the available sources (GNG), the best sources I could find on him were all published in November 2020, which can give legitimate concerns. While he was featured in this song, the coverage gives more credence to Laycon. This starts well but it is lacking in sufficient content. This interview buttresses that he is upcoming, which is understandable since it was published in 2017. Moreso, it does not seem independent enough. This is also more about Laycon. Those are the best sources I could find, I think his best route is through WP:NMUSIC, not the broad GNG. HandsomeBoy (talk) 20:49, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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