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User Talk:Paine Ellsworth
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'Wikipedia is a community effort of staggering proportions!'

I am not an administrator. Wouldn't mind being one, although don't really want to be. Wouldn't mind being an admin because I deeply respect many admins and have been helped by them many, many times over the years. I also respect the community vettings at RfA that show the ultimate trust of an editor. Don't really want to be an admin because I guess I'm just too old to go through that sometimes grueling community vetting.

So I shall remain a non-admin caught between two worlds... the world of the admins, which means I'm expected not to close controversial discussions (which I sometimes do, sometimes don't), and the world of less experienced editors who don't want me to close the "easy" discussions (which I also sometimes do, sometimes don't), and save those for them. If it's in the backlog, then it's fair game!

Anyway, if you have come to ask about one of my RM, RfC, MRV or other discussion closures, you are very welcome here! I am usually inclined to reopen a discussion if the outcome was "no consensus" and when I am asked to do so (not so much if I found a consensus). Please be very clear about your intentions and do not beat around the bush. Thank you for your deeply respected concerns!

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To Tevildo: thank you very much! P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 02:46, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

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question about RFC

Hi there I saw your comments on the RFC here I don't understand what does "No consequences" outcome meant here and now which RFC should be followed the one in 2018? or the one in 2015? LiamKhan469 (talk) 22:11, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi editor LiamKhan469, the precise wording is "no consensus", and the closer thought that meant "inconclusive" for the battle result was the strongest status quo. Which previous RfC/discussion to follow was explained in the next-to-last paragraph of the close, which begins "The question then posed is what this no consensus result means --", and was clear enough. Hope I answered your questions to your satisfaction. You can ask me more questions or you can get in touch with the closer on their talk page, as well. Best to you! P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 23:34, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. I have another question that can we do another RFC there to add "Pakistan victory"/"Inconclusive" altogether (as suggested by the user who closed the RFC) because this page has been subject to frequent edit wars so a more neutral result there can be helpful in reducing the number of vandalism. What do you think? LiamKhan469 (talk) 17:45, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
To LiamKhan469: not sure what the right answer is. To me it seems like some editors have an agenda and other editors are confused by the various sources. Those sources I read say that the entire conflict's result was inconclusive, but the final battle (of Chawinda) was a clearcut victory for Pakistan and not the least bit inconclusive. Just not sure if another RfC would make a difference. So sorry. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 12:17, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

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To ­dudhhr: thank you very much for this notification! P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 04:23, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

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New Page Review queue September 2021

Hello Paine Ellsworth,

Please join this discussion - there is increase in the abuse of resource and its processes by POV pushers, Paid Editors, and by holders of various user rights including Autopatrolled. Even our review systems themselves at AfC and NPR have been infiltrated. The good news is that detection is improving, but the downside is that it creates the need for a huge clean up - which of course adds to backlogs.

Copyright violations are also a serious issue. Most non-regular contributors do not understand why, and most of our Reviewers are not experts on copyright law - and can't be expected to be, but there is excellent, easy-to-follow advice on COPYVIO detection here.

At the time of the last newsletter (#25, December 2020) the backlog was only just over 2,000 articles. New Page Review is an official system. It's the only firewall against the inclusion of new, improper pages.

There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.

If you are no longer very active on resource or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process or its software.

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Your comment at RM

I didn't intend the comment here as a personal attack, but since you've understood it that way, I'm happy to withdraw it. I think it would make most sense to delete the first sentence, rather than striking it, and in that case it would make sense to delete your comment also. Would you be happy with this?Havelock Jones (talk) 11:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

As you wish. Just a gentle reminder that some editors have very thin skins. I learned that the hard way, so hopefully you won't have to. Face-smile.svg P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 11:25, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Ok, I've done that. To be clear, I was intending to be complimentary when I referred to you as "usually sensible". Havelock Jones (talk) 11:48, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I understand and thank you for that! You hopefully see that your words implied that the two supporters were not being sensible in that specific case? We try to address the content written by others without commenting about the editors themselves. Not always easy, however it's been a good idea for a long time. Best to you! P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 12:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

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