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hi ,also in Category we have Indo-Iranian_peoples not Indo-Iranian!!! article should be complete in name !!! what about your idea?Adykilaes (talk) 15:11, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

@Adykilaes: Hi. Did you read my message on your talk page? Take your rationale and requested move to Talk:Indo-Iranians per provided instructions. That's all. --Wario-Man (talk) 06:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Ashina tribe

Please can you check this. I've checked the sources, none of them mentions origin about Ashina, but are talking about etymological origin. And one of them does not even say anything about Ashina. I am tired about unexplained reverts of Hunan201p. He always gives your name but you seem silent. What do you think? I think It should be moved to "Etymology" instead of "origin", "have pointed out that the origin of the Ashina is from the Iranian Saka" this is sorely wrong and may give readers misinterpretation. "Several historians have pointed out that the origin of the Ashina is from the Indo-Aryan Wusun.[1]", this is fake as well. I've read the source, Klyashtorni is saying that the origin myths links but are not same, plus he is saying that Wu-sun are Iranians, not even Indo Aryan. Thanks. Beshogur (talk) 10:38, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


  1. ^ Sinor & Klyashtorny 1996, pp. 328-329

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I completely forgot to reply to your message on my talk page. Very much belated, but: a Happy New Year to you and yours as well, my friend. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:02, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

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Disruptive IP hopper

Thanks for spotting this.[1] This IP range is operated by someone on a zealous mission (since 2018) to purge Caucasus (North Caucasus in particular) related articles from any ties to Iran, and to diminish Iran's long-standing influence/history in the region. His IP range has been rangeblocked recently.[2]-[3] His editorial pattern is basically the Chechen/Lezgin/Avar version of LTA Satt 2.[4] - LouisAragon (talk) 18:35, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me. I will monitor their activity. --Wario-Man (talk) 18:50, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Just checking out ...

Hey, as far as i know you cannot be reached by emails, so that i'm here to ask you how you are doing. I hope that you and yours are all safe and sound. Take care.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 18:35, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Please enable your email. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:18, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
I will enable my email in the near future. Cheers! --Wario-Man (talk) 05:16, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Fringe edits by "account on mission"

Hello, I got awareness of fringe edits by Hunan201p ( promotion racist ideas of "blonde haired and blue eyed" warriors in East Asia. His used references do not support these claims and only mention unknown origin in the case of the Xianbei. More fringe are his edits on blonde (hair) or Genghis Khan (also see talkpage). Rashid al-din did not say Genghis had red hair, but wrote about Genghis reaction to the skin colour of his grandchild which was not reddish but swarty. I have included the direct quote and a link yesterday, but currently no one has reacted. I m writing you as well because you seem to be a good editor and know much about resource rules. I think many edits of Hunan violate WP:SCIRS and WP:WEIGHT. Additionally some things about him remember me on the long term vandal Tirgil34 ( Resource: Long-term_abuse/Tirgil34). I mean blonde or red haired turks are his main target, as seemingly Hunan. Anyway l, someone should watch this user carefully. Best regards. (talk) 15:04, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Wario-Man, I would like to point out that the above user is likely WorldCreaterFighter, a notorious sockmaster, based on his edit history regarding me and various subjects WorldCreaterFighter is known to obsessively edit, such as Austroasiatic languages. Multiple active sockpuppet investigations involve his name as I type this. I am, of course, not a sockmaster and never encouraged or participated in sockpuppetry of any kind, ever. - Hunan201p (talk) 01:10, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Can you help revert back the Vandalism done on the Central Asia page?

Hello, as you may have noticed, on the Central Asia page the user Casperti have reverted back all the earlier additions by Jirgen666 again in an edit war, without disproving the merits of the new additions and without citations (ex. no page numbers, etc). His own claim that Central Asian nations (including Afghanistan) are named by Humboldt in his definition of the region is obviously false, since modern nations in Central Asia as we know it didn't exist in the 19th Century. Jirgen666's own elaborated citations on Humboldt's definition of Central Asia as stretching from the Ustyurt plateau in Western Kazakhstan to the Khingan mountains in Inner Mongolia (backed by citation including page number) is also deleted without reason.

I agree that the relation to Inner Asia can be its own section, but Casperti deleted this information altogether.

Also, the user keeps on deleting the political map of Central Asia as the 5 stans, while adding the map labelled as Central Asia with Afghanistan in it. The user thus seems to have an agenda to push Afghanistan into the definition of the region while omitting Mongolia and other parts. Can you please take a look at this? Thank you.

Update: the vandalism has been reverted by another administrator. No need for any further action for now. Thanks.-- Preceding unsigned comment added by Gonomadlife (talk o contribs)

If this was any more obvious a sockpuppet of Jirgen666, their username would be Jirgen667. Blocked. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:03, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Need your insight

Hi Wario-Man,

You reverted yourself yesterday because Jirgen666 may have some legit points. I still see it as NPOV one-purpose account but he was right about the latitudinal definition of Humboldt. So I added that to the information that was already there. But what do you think that should be added furthermore on the Central Asia page in addition to the information that was there Pre-blocked users edits. Wikaviani thought I added that Afghanistan containing map recently while I did not do that ofcourse as it was there for years I think, he will see my message today. But anyways Jirgen666 was right about Humboldt. Humboldt did not have a definition containing modern countries but he did mention cities and geographic aspects of the region, which can be traced back to his book "asie centrale", don't worry I added his book in the sources. So do you have any more ideas about what should be added? Casperti (talk) 00:42, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

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Your help

Hey Wario-Man, i nominated Medo-Babylonian conquest of the Assyrian Empire to GA level, however, the reviewer suggested to uniformize the cites (with Harv style), but i don't know if it is possible to insert a link in the Harv style in order to make verifiability easier for our readers. The article already contains some Harv style cites but without any access to the cited sources using that formatting. Take care.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 18:42, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@Wikaviani: What can I do about it? --Wario-Man (talk) 06:01, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Hey, another editor answered to my question here : User talk:Favonian#Need your help. Cheers.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 21:24, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Another sockfarm

Hi Wario-Man! If you look at at the recent history of Iran, you will see two new obvious socks of User:ShaynDiamond (not yet reported). The disruption is not as blatant as usual, but still annoying. Do you think it is worth considering to request for WP:ECP? -Austronesier (talk) 14:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Austronesier: First submit a SPI case with checkuser request. After SPI results, submit a protection request. Because you need to prove why semi-protection is not enough. In my opinion, reporting ShaynDiamond (SPI report) is enough for now unless he becomes a non-stop troll. ECP is usually for extreme cases. --Wario-Man (talk) 05:04, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Ok, it is indeed not that extreme. The last disruptions were quite lukewarm compared to the earlier blatant nonsense.
Btw, there is a novice editor with an unsual combination of topics for the first dozen of edits[5]. Turkestan + Austric (and especially the subtle preference for the inclusion of Japanese) already make them look like a duck to me. -Austronesier (talk) 08:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Try to solve the issue via article talk pages or by warning them. And if you're sure about sockpuppetry, then take it to SPI. --Wario-Man (talk) 10:11, 26 June 2020 (UTC)


Hi Wario-Man, Thankyou for your comment in the edit section for the article Yuezhi. You mentioned that i should have taken this revert to the talk page and that is what i had done here [[6]]. I think i had used credible references to the information i added and i would appreciate your comment on them. ThankyouKami2018 (talk) 19:06, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

You should open a new section on Talk:Yuezhi. --Wario-Man (talk) 19:11, 26 June 2020 (UTC)


You should check out Visioncurve, with whom I'm arguing at Turkmens where he's trying to keep old scholarship favored by Pan-Turkicists in the article. He's only been on the site for a short time. Most of his edits are repetitive tasks like welcoming editors or reverting vandalism - the sorts of things a sock uses to get established. When he does do substantial edits, he seems to be focusing on Turkic topics. Might be a sock, but you know the area better so I'll let you be the judge.--Ermenrich (talk) 22:40, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

It's actually more suspicious. The account made its first edits in 2018, but just two, before making a couple more in 2019 and then lots as of February this year [7]. The second edit of 2019 was reversing a redirect from Turkomans to Turkmen [8]. They show no difficulty in learning how to properly edit. Looks like a recently activated sleeper to me, but the question is if you know of who.--Ermenrich (talk) 12:57, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
@Ermenrich: Take a look at this block log. It seems like he tries to establish himself as a trusted/normal editor because his current WP run is his last chance. A sockmaster or a sockpuppet? I don't think so. But he may be a biased user; e.g. see his comments on Talk:Samanid Empire. --Wario-Man (talk) 06:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
And read this Talk:Turkmens#Source_verification. --Wario-Man (talk) 07:22, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
What do you think about his establishing Turkoman (ethnonym) as an article separate from Turkmen? Seems fairly suspicious to me, given that Turkoman is just an old transcription of Turkmen. It looks like he's trying to connect various ethnic groups to Turkmen.--Ermenrich (talk) 13:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Actually that article is legit. Turkoman =/= Turkmen. Turkoman was a term used for some Oghuz peoples/tribes in medieval sources while Turkmen is the name of a modern ethnic group. Just like Iraqi Turkmen =/= Turkmen. They are two different ethnic groups. --Wario-Man (talk) 07:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Reliability of Sources

If the reliability of Leonie Freida(..long story..) is based on the cited usage of her work then Kaveh Farrokh's works should also be considered reliable sources.

  • Iran at War:1500-1988. [9] cited by 62. Cited by Princeton University.
  • A Synopsis of Sasanian Military Organization and Combat Units. [10] cited by 6. Cited by Cambridge University Journal, Anatolian Studies.
  • The Armies of Ancient Persia: The Sassanians. [11] cited by 9. Cite by Oxford University.
  • Shadows in the Desert: Ancient Persia at War. [12] cited by 172. Edinburgh University Press.
  • The Siege of Amida (359 CE). [13] cite by 2. Cited by Historia i ?wiat.

Just to name a few. Hope things are going well for you. Stay safe. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:51, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


I just closed a case at AN3 but it got lost - I mean the whole case and at least one other - in your revert. I really don't want to have to edit it again. It was brought by this sock against Kansas Bear - who had also brought a case against the sock. I guess it doesn't matter in the long run but there may be others you deleted. I don't want to have to handle it again. Doug Weller talk 08:37, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: I just restored IP-user's revision before mass disruptive edit by that user.[14] I didn't delete/remove/change anything. You better do something about that problematic dude. It's a WP:NOTHERE and WP:BATTLEGROUND case.[15] --Wario-Man (talk) 08:42, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
It's confusing - it looks like a long term abuser mimicked Gunner's name. Anyway, I've blocked for a week. Doug Weller talk 09:53, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
Well, I have already submitted a SPI report. --Wario-Man (talk) 09:58, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

please revert changes in the Tajiks page Zafarella (talk) 05:47, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Editor to watch

Hi Wario-Man, I've just become aware of this user Onche de Bougnadée. He seems interest in "Altaic" topics and edits sparingly. Also at least some interest in dinosaurs. Look familiar?--Ermenrich (talk) 16:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ermenrich: Hi. They may be another account of User:AsadalEditor (User:WorldCreaterFighter). But currently I don't see any obvious pattern of well-known blocked sockmasters. I sense some kind of ignoring WP:WEIGHT and biased edits in their contributions; e.g. the cited sources[16] are OK but that user represented them like pov/biased stuff. --Wario-Man (talk) 19:51, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

For your information

Hey, i reported the disruptive editor at Rawandiz : [17]. Just to let you know. Best.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 14:00, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks but I think that case belongs to WP:ANI because it's not just edit warring or content dispute. Anyway, if the reported user continues their actions, I will report them to ANI. --Wario-Man (talk) 14:34, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
@Wikaviani: Already reported to ANI (by another user). --Wario-Man (talk) 14:50, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, just seen LouisAragon's report at ANI. I agree with you that ANI is more relevant (for the personal attacks towards you and me). I reported them at AN3 because of their 5 reverts within 24 hours. Do you think that i should remove my report at AN3 ?---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 14:55, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
It's better to remove your report and add it to that ANI case. --Wario-Man (talk) 15:01, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks for your advices.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 15:05, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Quickly reverting warnings is not a good sign

Please note this. I have tried to communicate to numerous editors and at least one or two admins, that the user you warned is trouble for this encyclopedia project. I am sure that eventually it will become consensus to block him from editing, at least in certain topics. Until then, I think I'll just start a betting pool, where we can select future dates that would mark when the block is actually imposed! - AppleBsTime (talk) 22:09, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Stop harassing me everywhere , you are obsessed with me all over resource and stalking me everywhere due to your hatred of Muslims and Turks , I'm free to do whatever I want on my own talkpage , reverting warning means I've already read it and done , you are the one who should get blocked and banned for life over your endless stalking and harassment AleviQizilbash (talk) 10:24, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Not canvassing for input, but if you are so moved: I opened a WP:AN/I about the user AleviQizilbash. - AppleBsTime (talk) 13:21, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Jeong et al. 2020

I saw your revert on the pages I added Jeong et al. 2020. I do not understand what does this have to do with WP:Weight? WP:Weight says that every opinion of a reliable source must be mentioned, but that minority views should be marked as such. Jeong et al. 2020 is not a minority view nor a majority view but simply the results. The early Turks were found to be largely West-Eurasian with strong links to the BMAC culture. The rising East Asian ancestry is linked to the migration of Mongols and Tungusic peoples. This are the results which must be mentioned. I do not see how this is a case for WP:Weight. Could you please explain your view on this? Thank you in advance. (talk) 08:11, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Weight is about how much weight you give to a specific source. We don't dedicated a full paragraph to a specific source. You should summarize it. Plus the cited article is still a preprint and has not been certified by peer review. So currently you can't cite it. You need to wait. --Wario-Man (talk) 12:46, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Editing: List of Kurdish Dynasties and States

I have add a dynasty which is already mentioned in main wikidepia page as Kurdish here There clearly been mentioned: "It was an Iranian dynasty of Kurdish origin" Also i add some articles of most considerable univerties as prove. But u're removing my edits by calling it "disruptive editing". Can you n please explane me the reason? -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 1HistoricalCorrecter1 (talk o contribs) 13:18, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@1HistoricalCorrecter1: Take your concerns to Talk:List of Kurdish dynasties and countries. Open a new section there and discuss why you think your edits are OK (your rationale + providing some reliable sources). I will reply there. --Wario-Man (talk) 15:04, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Eternal Turn of the Wheel

Hello WM. Thank you for creating Eternal Turn of the Wheel, one of the finest works by Drudkh. But I think the "Note" part needs some ce - don't know how to fix it. Pudu?epa 09:37, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

@Pudu?epa: Hi. I created that article in 2012. My last edit was in 2013 and I don't edit it anymore. I didn't add that part. Feel free to improve/expand that article. --Wario-Man (talk) 18:51, 16 October 2020 (UTC)


Hello Wario-Man/Archive 2020, I have replied to you in my talk page.--Joseph (talk) 08:40, 8 November 2020 (UTC)


It is as follows: this editor ( continues to make non-constructive edits in List of New Japan Pro-Wrestling personnel even though he has already been warned that he would be blocked if he continued to do so. Do something about it, because he won't really stop it.2804:14C:5B41:8586:7586:6C3B:2D2:B43E (talk) 18:23, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

@2804:14C:5B41:8586:7586:6C3B:2D2:B43E: I have already reported that IP user.[18] Admins should deal with them. --Wario-Man (talk) 18:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Please don't use automated tools to make cosmetic edits, as you did in this edit. Also, please don't bypass redirects, as you did in this edit. Besides being pointless busywork, this makes it difficult to tell when an article needs to be moved to the common name. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:05, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

@NinjaRobotPirate: OK, I got that "redirects" part and I stop doing such edits. But why this type of cleanup[19] is wrong? Removing whitespaces/blank spaces (saving some bytes) or making all section titles following same format (spaced or non-spaced). I read the mentioned policy/guideline but I'm still confused. Would you please clarify it? When I'm allowed to use cleanup scripts? --Wario-Man (talk) 06:51, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
We don't need to save some bytes. See Resource: Don't worry about performance for some advice posted c. 2006 - almost 15 years ago (a lifetime ago for the internet). Secondly, some people like having whitespace because they think it improves readability. Think of it this way: if I removed the spaces from between my words, it would save a lot of whitespace, but it would also make the sentences much harder to read. Wikipedia's software itself tends to include whitespace in headers and other places, which makes removing whitespace a neverending (and kind of pointless) mission. Finally, cosmetic edits clog up the article history, recent changes, and watchlists. I have thousands of articles on my watchlist. This helps a lot when detecting something like date vandalism across 10 BLPs, which I can then revert. But it also means that I get to see all these edits that don't do anything but mess around with the whitespace. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 07:14, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
@NinjaRobotPirate: None of those cleanup scripts removes necessary spaces or affects the readability. They just clean the source and some perform WP:MOS stuff. But I got your point and I understand it's not helpful/useful to perform dozens of continuous/similar cleanup edits on dozens of articles (especially same topic) in a short amount of time. So I won't overuse scripts/tools again; no more mass usage. Thanks for notifying me. --Wario-Man (talk) 11:20, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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Can you explain why you deleted my entry about the references of the Kurdish origin of Sasan I?

Hi Wario-Man, I realized by chance that you deleted single-handedly a whole entry without notifying or putting it to discussion in Wikipedia. I wouldn't have realized that edit in a normal way. Please explain yourself.

RedurMaye (talk) 09:29, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

@RedurMaye: Hi. My edit summary is crystal clear.[20] See WP:BURDEN. You added something to the article and I reverted it. So you should prove why your edits were OK and my revert was wrong. Open a new section on Talk:Sasanian Empire and discuss your concerns. I will reply there. --Wario-Man (talk) 03:59, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

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Iranian Turkmen

I just added a WP:RS source to this article.[21] Is Ethnologue reliable, as in, on par with Brill journals or even the CIA World Factbook? - LouisAragon (talk) 20:56, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Ethnologue cites other people's works for the total number of speakers and ethnic population. It's OK but Ethnologue is not free anymore thus not easy to verify its content. Plus when you see someone's cited Ethnologue, you should check the original content for two reasons: 1. total number of speakers of a specific language =/= the population of a specific ethnic group 2. You can use the source that Ethnologue uses if you think it's reliable; e.g. if Ethnologue cites XYZ, you better cite XYZ instead of Ethnologue itself. --Wario-Man (talk) 04:32, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
For the total number of speakers, you can cite this[22]; page 13 has a table about them and other Turkic ethnic groups in Iran. --Wario-Man (talk) 04:54, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy shab-e-Chele

Wish you and yours a happy Chele night. Cheers.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 21:03, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Wikaviani: Many thanks! --Wario-Man (talk) 13:36, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Happy holidays! Wishing you all the best for the coming year.--Ermenrich (talk) 13:33, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

@Ermenrich: Many thanks! --Wario-Man (talk) 13:36, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

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