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WikiProject Meteorology (Rated Project-class)
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US mid-February winter storm?

Is there an article on the mid-Feb storm that crippled Texas? -- 65.93.183.33 (talk) 09:10, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

@65.93.183.33: That storm has an article here: February 13-17, 2021 North American winter storm. Note that winter storms are covered by WikiProject Non-tropical storms, and for finding articles related to that, you can go there. ~ ?HurricaneCovid? 16:03, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

2021 Pacific Northwest heat wave

New stub: 2021 Pacific Northwest heat wave. Improvements welcome! ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:24, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Do we really need an article that is nothing more than a weather forecast? Obviously if some severe extremes do happen, something might be justified, but not now. HiLo48 (talk) 01:28, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
@HiLo48: As we move into the era of the weather project being a thing, there are gonna be more and more of these sort of articles pop up. However, hopefully by working together as a project, we can work out what's worth an article, how to format it etc. However, at the moment I would personally comment that this particular heatwave article might be better presented as a part of Weather in 2021 or Heatwaves in 2021.Jason Rees (talk) 02:12, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
If this project seeks credibility, this article should not even exist at all, nor should it be part of anything else. Maybe in a weeks times, but not now. HiLo48 (talk) 02:25, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
@HiLo48: The weather project does seek credibility but there is very little point in coming and bitching at us, about someone creating an article about a heatwave in the middle of the event, especially when we are looking at developing more articles about significant weather like heatwaves. What would be useful though is to hear your thoughts on when heatwaves/droughts and other weather events are notable enough to deserve an article and how to format them etc.Jason Rees (talk) 13:31, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Merge/create List of United States heat waves (2020-present). Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 03:03, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@HiLo48: - what do you think of a list of heat waves? Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 14:05, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
We would need solid, uniformly applied, scientific criteria. Not just media excitement. HiLo48 (talk) 03:28, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Some places have an official definition for a heat wave. Ireland's definition of 30°C would be too low for a place with 3+ days' highs over 90°F and so on. If Phoenix or South Australia has one it's probably about 110°F lol. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:59, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Met Éireann definition is five consecutive days with a maximum temperature of over 25 degrees. (The Journal). French Brittany in the same or similar climatic area same period notes 3 consecutive nights without temperatures below 20°C Ouest-France. That latest is very much used since ten years or more to expect "unusally" oversized storms by the way. If there's a need to meet the criteria, it looks like we are at entry point. --Askedonty (talk) 12:29, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
So I must be misrembering an official or unofficial Irish cutoff for "extreme heat" instead.Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:42, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
30 degrees was the subject everywhere except that statement in particular. --Askedonty (talk) 14:16, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
What statement? "heat wave"? 30 for any amount of time is still a big milestone in much of Europe? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:32, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
The Met Éireann statement asserting they have for definition 5 days, over 25°C. And no, one hundred miles away from the coast it can't be unusual to have night temperatures staying hot during summer. The map at Oceanic climate may be misleading to that regard. Compare with the map from this site. By everywhere I meant "in the related Irish news". Without your own note I wouln't have even heard of it, neither for Brittany. Too much of all that all the time, local national news can't cope. And it's happening right now. --Askedonty (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
I think I understand what you meant now: 30 is the start of heat wave in most of Europe, not the start of extreme heat. Makes sense. And presumably heat wave is not 30 in much of Spain, as Madrid average high is 31 or 32 in hottest month and Cordoba is 36.9. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:55, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Start of heatwave is declared at 30°C in Germany springer, 25,3°C in France futura, both after five days duration. With 0.3° difference between Ireland criteria and France's criteria, it's important that "heat-wave" be not assimilated to "highly unnusual". Like you said, 30°C is not a all unusual over continental Europe. --Askedonty (talk) 18:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Yes I am aware from my own city that heatwaves happen dozens of times a decade, intermediate between average and rare. I was previously confused what you meant by 30 as I knew the German record was ~40 till the ~43 two years ago. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:05, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Is this true?

[1] I'm an amateur astronomer, not a meteorologist. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:22, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

More of a comment, I'm not a meteorologist either: It doesn't matter if this is true or not, the only source provided (as far as I can see) is Twitter, which should not even be entertained on Wikipedia. We have to use the best sources available, and if those are 'pop-sci' articles which get some absurdly complicated technicality wrong (while getting the rest right), then so be it. See popflock.com Resource: Verifiability, not truth, even though it is only an essay, I think it captures the essence of the problem is. We can not let go of verifiable claims just because of a random person (a source we can't verify) who claims to have a more complete picture. Uness232 (talk) 21:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Help needed at Reference Desk

Some informed opinion would be helpful at popflock.com Resource: Reference desk/Science#AMOC and NAC please. Alansplodge (talk) 11:46, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Climograph vs Climatic diagram

Hi,

This article Climograph is language-linked to the French popflock.com resource article, fr:Diagramme climatique. The latter article has a broader context than just temperature/precipitation charts, and also includes sections on "ombrothermic diagrams" and "wind diagrams". The respective fr:Talk:Diagramme climatique page shows the "ombrothermic diagram" content has been included as a result of a merge. My meandering across popflock.com resource has led me to translate the French articles for Gaussen Index and Xerothermic index, and, in order to add related explanatory links to the Henri Gaussen article, I'd like to link the translated "ombrothermic diagram" content somewhere appropriate. I could import the French language content to this article, or create a new separate one - whichever is most useful. I don't have strong preferences but the separate content would probably remain fairly stubby so I favour building on this one. In my meteorological ignorance, though, does the definition of "Climograph" solely relate to temperature/precipitation charts, or is it generic enough to encompass the other diagram types?

I'd be grateful for your thoughts and guidance -- KenBailey (talk) 15:04, 21 September 2021 (UTC)


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