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Help copy editing and reviewing content of my article please!

Hi everyone, my name is Amy and I'm writing my first ever resource article. It is classed as a stub in this WikiProject, and I believe I've expanded it well beyond that level. I would really appreciate some help with copy-editing but would love as well if you could just take a minute to read it as I've put a lot of effort in! I'm trying to bring the article beyond the stub category to a A, B, or C grade page. The page is about an extremist political group, the National Association for the Advancement of White People . Thanks for your help guys! Tofta22 (talk)

County seats templates by state

Hello, all. I have been, over the last several months off and on, working on creating templates listing the county seats of each state, then distributing said templates on the articles of the county seats. My first was Montana county seats, and my most recent as of this post is Connecticut county seats. I have created 11 such templates as of this post, improving the amount from 13 to 24. Therefore, there are 26 county seat templates left, and I intend on working on this until all 50 states have their own templates. If anyone wants to pitch in and make more such templates for states that do not have one yet, then distribute them to the relevant pages, I would much appreciate that. I believe that it is beneficial to the encyclopedia to be able to navigate through pages of county seats effectively.

I have also created a template for the templates, placed below, so as to navigate through county seat templates, and also to track progress. I would love to see all those links be blue someday. And it can happen pretty soon, too, especially if at least several people are working on it. Cheers.

Mungo Kitsch (talk) 07:36, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Started Template:Idaho county seats; but should this list be by County Name, and not Seat/Town name? Such that selecting Power County, Idaho, would actually take you to: American Falls, Idaho? (Going through the County name to get to the County Seat?) Mjquinn_id (talk) 16:07, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Does anyone know when the 2020 census results will be released for municipalities?

I have searched everywhere but can't find the date, should be soon right? I'm working on templates and just want to know when I should apply them. Thanks! Mattximus (talk) 17:31, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I believe cities and towns are released in May 2022. Counties are March 2022, so that will serve for larger jurisdictions. There should be more data on states in December.-- Patrick, o?? 18:15, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
It seems that this data was just released today. This link contains delimited text files showing the 100% counts for municipalities, counties, tracts, etc. Flejern (talk) 19:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


Heads up, an RFC is taking place, which may affect American political articles. GoodDay (talk) 22:06, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

RfC on table style

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Moved to my talk page. Centralized discussion is no longer necessary. theleekycauldron (talk o contribs) (they/them) 16:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Should the style of articles beginning with "United States congressional delegations from" match the table style and broader format of featured lists such as United States congressional delegations from Indiana and Utah, or the articles for almost all of the other states, such as Alaska and California, or should each article be kept where it is per MOS:VAR? theleekycauldron (talk o contribs) (they/them) 20:59, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Factors to consider:

  • What are the advantages and disadvantages to each style?
  • Should the style vary based on the size of the state and the length of its history in Congress?
United States Representatives from Alaska:
Congress District
86th (1959-1961) Ralph Julian Rivers (D)
87th (1961-1963)
88th (1963-1965)
89th (1965-1967)
90th (1967-1969) Howard Wallace Pollock (R)
91st (1969-1971)
92nd (1971-1973) Nick Begich[1][2] (D)
Don Young[3] (R)
93rd (1973-1975)
94th (1975-1977)
95th (1977-1979)
96th (1979-1981)
97th (1981-1983)
98th (1983-1985)
99th (1985-1987)
100th (1987-1989)
101st (1989-1991)
102nd (1991-1993)
103rd (1993-1995)
104th (1995-1997)
105th (1997-1999)
106th (1999-2001)
107th (2001-2003)
108th (2003-2005)
109th (2005-2007)
110th (2007-2009)
111th (2009-2011)
112th (2011-2013)
113th (2013-2015)
114th (2015-2017)
115th (2017-2019)
116th (2019-2021)
117th (2021-2023)
United States Representatives from Utah:
Congress Districts
At-large from 1893-1913
1st from 1913-current
2nd 3rd 4th
  Clarence Emir Allen (R)
  William H. King (D)
  Brigham H. Roberts (D)
[note 1]
  William H. King (D)
[note 2]
  George Sutherland (R)
  Joseph Howell (R)
  Jacob Johnson (R)
  James Henry Mays (D)
  Milton H. Welling (D)
  Don B. Colton (R)   Elmer O. Leatherwood (R)
[note 3]
  Frederick C. Loofbourow (R)
  Abe Murdock (D)   J. W. Robinson (D)
  Walter K. Granger (D)
  William A. Dawson (R)
  Reva B. Bosone (D)
  Douglas R. Stringfellow (R)   William A. Dawson (R)
  Henry A. Dixon (R)
  David S. King (D)
  M. Blaine Peterson (D)
  Laurence J. Burton (R)   Sherman P. Lloyd (R)
  David S. King (D)
  Sherman P. Lloyd (R)
  K. Gunn McKay (D)
  Wayne Owens (D)
  Allan Turner Howe (D)
  David D. Marriott (R)
  James V. Hansen (R)
  Howard C. Nielson (R)
  David S. Monson (R)
  Wayne Owens (D)
  Bill Orton (D)
  Karen Shepherd (D)
  Enid Greene (R)
  Merrill Cook (R)   Chris Cannon (R)
  Jim Matheson (D)
  Rob Bishop (R)
  Jason Chaffetz (R)
  Chris Stewart (R)   Jim Matheson (D)
  Mia Love (R)
  John Curtis (R)
  Ben McAdams (D)
  Blake Moore (R)   Burgess Owens (R)
Congress 1st 2nd 3rd 4th

Gonna need some visual examples, here. GoodDay (talk) 22:03, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

The best examples are United States congressional delegations from Utah and United States congressional delegations from Oregon, and I put examples of the two tables above. theleekycauldron (talk o contribs) (they/them) 22:40, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
I reckon the best way to go, is the maps version. Otherwise, you're gonna have a ton of images in the California delegation article. GoodDay (talk) 23:42, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean? theleekycauldron (talk o contribs) (they/them) 04:41, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps this topic is a bit over my head. Best for others to chime. GoodDay (talk) 12:43, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: I'm now noticing United States congressional delegations from Massachusetts, which is the first page I've seen that uses {{Party cell}} templates. Might this be a good compromise between readability and getting the most possible information across? I still find it a tad hard to visualize compared to party shading, but it's certainly easier than utilizing a separate cell, and I can definitely see how the text would be more readable this way. --WMSR (talk) 15:09, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: first of all, I'm using yo instead of ping forever. Thank you for that, that's fantastic. Second, i'd be more than happy to match the Massachusetts style (with some variations state-by-state), but is it within MOS:VAR for us to update the tables that way? theleekycauldron (talk o contribs) (they/them) 22:13, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: I think so, because many of the party shading templates are not compliant with MOS:COLORS, which can cause accessibility issues (especially those of some smaller parties). That said, I'm not sure whether {{Cell party}} would work quite as well on pages like Political party strength in Alaska, for example. --WMSR (talk) 22:23, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: fantastic- I think my next project is going to be fixing up United States congressional delegations from Alaska, then. I'm going to close this RfC within a day. Also, it's not a huge problem if I switch the senate template so that the colours oppose each other, right? because otherwise it's just gonna be a pain. theleekycauldron (talk o contribs) (they/them) 22:28, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: Awesome, though I'm not sure what you mean by switch the template so that the colors oppose each other. --WMSR (talk) 22:32, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: so you know how on United States congressional delegations from Massachusetts, if you go to the Senate table, the party colours are both to the left of the names? i feel like those should be outwards instead-so on the left for the leftward name, and on the right for the rightward name. The alternating colours should be inward, next to the Congress. theleekycauldron (talk o contribs) (they/them) 22:36, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: Gotcha. I'm going to have to do some work on the {{Party cell}} template then to make a parameter for which side to shade. Been a while since I messed with parameters like that so I may need some time (unless you can do it easily). --WMSR (talk) 22:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: I can fix the party cell template, no need :) thanks so much for the help! hope to see you again around wikipedia :) theleekycauldron (talk o contribs) (they/them) 23:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: Ope, I just did. Param 2 is side (default is left), param 3 is position (for politicians who change parties, otherwise no need to define). Working on documentation now. --WMSR (talk) 23:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Finished documentation. Check out United_States_congressional_delegations_from_Alabama#United_States_Senate to see how I envision it being utilized when I made the new params. Obviously, if there's a better way, I'm all ears. --WMSR (talk) 23:58, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: damn! put a lot of work into the Alabama senate part, too- props. I think the party colouring should go outward, instead of being inward and right next to the alternating colours denoting term? Makes it less overwhelming on that front. Also, with regards to the names, it should probably be one name throughout multiple parties, or several separated by hard boxes-the middle ground seems like there's something off but i'm open to either way? just suggestions theleekycauldron (talk o contribs) (they/them) 00:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: My thinking was that having it in the middle makes it easier to visualize the balance of the delegation in any given Congress. It's also how Utah was laid out (and Hawaii previously). I am also not sure about what to do with party switchers. Only putting the name once would make it off-center and it would not be clear which party goes in the parentheses. This was sort of my best attempt but I'm sure someone has a better idea. I wish others would chime in! --WMSR (talk) 00:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: really would be nice if others participate, but this is rather back-water so it looks like it's just us for now. Maybe we make the party colours the same thickness as the alternating colours, and that way they're not overshadowed? For the party switchers, I'd say just make separate hard boxes for each party switch? I don't think we have a better method of representation at the moment, which sucks. theleekycauldron (talk o contribs) (they/them) 00:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: How do you feel about dashed lines for party switches? I updated the template and think it might once again be the best of both worlds. For alternating term colors, i think we just set the width on the column to a super low number. --WMSR (talk) 02:35, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: oooo the dashed lines are good. What are you suggesting with the column width? theleekycauldron (talk o contribs) (they/them) 02:56, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: Well, I tried removing the non-breaking spaces and that seemed to make it better (check Alabama). Not sure if the columns can be narrowed any further though. Also just want to say that I'm really enjoying this collaboration! --WMSR (talk) 03:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: That works well! Any concern about the party cells for some reason showing up ever so slightly on the other sides of the cells? Please reply on my talk page, as I think the public section of the RfC has passed its purpose. Also, I'm very much enjoying working with you too! I haven't had this much fun on resource in quite some time. theleekycauldron (talk o contribs) (they/them) 16:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Provide more rather than less information, and provide it in the form that is easiest to read. The main tables in these articles are almost identical. They get very different in the "Historical timeline" sections, and the version with separate tables instead of one giant table is much easier to make sense of, but if there's information types missing from it then it should be expanded to include them if we think it's info of encyclopedic interest (which it likely is, though a discussion won't hurt). -- SMcCandlish ? ¢ ? 14:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)


  1. ^ The House refused to seat Brigham H. Roberts on grounds that he was a polygamist.[4]
  2. ^ Elected to fill the seat vacated by Brigham Roberts[5]
  3. ^ Representative Leatherwood died while in office.[6]


  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference died was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Disappeared October 16, 1972, re-elected November 7, declared dead December 29.
  3. ^ Elected to fill the vacancy caused by the previous representative, Nick Begich being re-elected (presumably posthumously) to the next term.
  4. ^ "House Votes to Oust Roberts". Chicago Tribune. January 26, 1900. Retrieved 2010.
  5. ^ "Judge King Sworn in Today". Deseret News. Salt Lake City. April 27, 1900. Retrieved 2010.
  6. ^ "Leatherwood, Elmer, O." Biographical Directory of the United States Congress. Clerk of the United States House of Representatives and Historian of the United States Senate. Retrieved 2010.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Category:Human rights abuses in the United States: POV/OR issue?

I just removed José Padilla (criminal) from Category:Human rights abuses in the United States because there was no mention of human rights in the article. I also note that Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act was added without explanation in 2015, although more recent revisions do discuss this POV. I encourage you to go through all the remaining category members to remove anything that isn't supported in text, or move it to one of the subcategories. -LaundryPizza03 (dc?) 00:50, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

State-line-straddling towns

I've found two cases where towns straddle the MD-DE state line so far. In both cases there are two articles, one for each state. For Delmar, Maryland and Delmar, Delaware there are two incorporations and thus two mayors etc., but the reality is that it's a single town that the state line runs through; there's even only a single town website. Hickman, Maryland and Hickman, Delaware is a worse case, both because the whole thing is unincorporated, and because the dividing line is the road that the community straddles, with houses on one side in a different state from those on the other; and there are no other streets.

To my mind, each of these should be one article. The current split for Delmar is marginally arguable from a necessary legal fiction POV, but from what I can see everyone views the two halves as a single town. The Hickman case is less justifiable because there is no legal fiction to be reproduced. So I'd like to merge both of these, but I would like to know how we've handled this in the past, especially in terms of article naming. Mangoe (talk) 03:46, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

There's also Marydel, Delaware and Marydel, Maryland. For the Delmar case, this is interesting - it notes that the two sides create their own revenues and ordinances, but then the pool the revenues and have a single town manager. The legal fiction and separate stuff like incorporation and ordinances makes Delmar tricky. Hickman should certainly be merged, IMO to Hickman, Delaware and Maryland. We seem to handle unincorporated communities in two states that way - see Boydsville, Kentucky and Tennessee, Dukedom, Kentucky and Tennessee, Pruden, Kentucky and Tennessee, Arkmo, Arkansas and Missouri, and presumeably others. Hog Farm Talk 05:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
I agree with the idea, so go ahead when you feel okay about it. WP:Bold. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:21, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. I'll start merging them shortly. Mangoe (talk) 20:02, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Notice of a discussion on Talk:Immigration to the United States

Information icon4.svg There is currently a discussion on the talk page of Immigration to the United States about splitting the article: Talk:Immigration_to_the_United_States#Suggest_splitting_this_article. Please participate if you can. Thank you. DesertPipeline (talk) 11:38, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Template Resurrection:Idaho

I want to gather Consensus on resurrecting a long dead, separate template for Resource: WikiProject Idaho, as I want to get some Task Forces going. But it would require the removal (probably) of some parameters from the Main Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_United_States template... and a fairly large SUBST, which is going to look pretty odd in View History... In General, I think I would 1) LEAVE the US Template; 2) Drop the ID Specific parameters 3) ADD the Idaho Template (Same "class", same "importance").
Could you please reply with your consensus (or oppositions)? with rationale please... Mjquinn_id (talk) 15:51, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Mjquinn id: Can you provide more context? Also, what do you mean by "require... a fairly large SUBST"? DesertPipeline (talk) 09:43, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
So, The WikiProject Idaho template was rebuilt as a wrapper a couple years ago. A wrapper to the US Template. Being thorough, they also put into place an auto WP:SUBST that rebuilds the Idaho template into the US template with the ID flags. In trying to rebuild the project, I need to reverse that. Finding the US Template WITH the ID=yes flag and reverse it; dropping ID parameters and ADDING the new ID Template. (Currently in the template's sandbox).
  1. ) I didn't want to perform a change on some 2,000 pages without getting some kind of consensus with the US Project first. Especially, pulling the ID flag from the US Talk Banner... unless you are ok leaving it there?
  2. ) Though I have worked with templates for quite a while, this would be the largest change that I have pulled off. Might be nice to have another template expert looking over my shoulder? - Mjquinn_id (talk) 14:17, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
User:Mjquinn id: Thank you for the explanation. I can't say I completely understand; therefore, I think it would be best to wait until others who understand this properly respond. Regards, DesertPipeline (talk) 20:56, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
User:Mjquinn id: Since you haven't had any responses yet, you might consider posting about this on Resource: Village pump (technical). DesertPipeline (talk) 07:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
DesertPipeline: Many thanks. Mjquinn_id (talk) 19:51, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:CIA activities in Iraq#Requested move 1 August 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:CIA activities in Iraq#Requested move 1 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. --hueman1 (talk o contributions) 14:14, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Questionable map

Could someone with more historical knowledge than myself check File:Louisiana (1762) orthographic projection.svg for accuracy? It is sourced to an alternate history wiki, which makes me very suspicious of it. Thanks, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:21, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Two GAC articles on Sam Houston

The above two articles are up for Good Article assessment. CaroleHenson has been the primary author on both of them. -- Maile (talk) 23:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Contributions welcome here

Since this WikiProject is featured in Template:RuPaul's Drag Race, I invite the members to partecipate in this discussion: RuPaul's Drag Race#Template edit suggestion. Thank you (talk) 15:35, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

RfC re: Ronan Farrow reporting at NBC News

There is an RfC at Talk:NBC News#Request for Comment NBC News Farrow Reporting that members of this project may be interested in. Please note I am a paid consultant to NBC News. BC1278 (talk) 15:45, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Zachary Taylor

Anyone interested in working on Zachary Taylor? It had a few tags but otherwise seems in decent shape. An editor a has requested a GAR reassessment, but I feel it could be relatively easily fixed by one or two interested editors. Unfortunately the editor who got it to GA standard no longer edits. Aircorn (talk) 09:08, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Battle of Brices Cross Roads#Requested move 14 August 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Battle of Brices Cross Roads#Requested move 14 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. -- Shibbolethink (? ?) 11:12, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Twenty-Tens Decade Started

Hello editors of the WikiProject of the United States. I wanted to inform you guys that the WikiProject of the Twenty-Tens decade started recently. Feel free to join the new WikiProject! Elijahandskip (talk) 02:29, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Discussion over the Door County Wisconsin article

There is currently a discussion about what to keep, what to remove, and what to split off into separate pages at Talk:Door_County,_Wisconsin#Article_length_and_amount_of_sources; things are still being sorted out.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 23:38, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

You Are My Sunshine

Why is this song low-importance? I realize our article sucked, but I am trying to make it better. Just curious how you guys look at it. Thanks Tillywilly17 (talk) 04:02, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:COVID-19 misinformation by the United States#Requested move 30 August 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:COVID-19 misinformation by the United States#Requested move 30 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. --FormalDude talk 08:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Could you please review this USA focused COVID-19 related article: COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy in the United States ?

I am working on expanding the COVID-19 coverage on wikipedia. I have published a couple related articles recently: COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy in the United States and High-risk people. If you could take a look and possibly make an edit, let me know what you think in the talk page, I would appreciate it. Open to any feedback.

Thank you again. --Wil540 art (talk) 18:23, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Race in 2020 Census data

I have two comments about the recently released 2020 census data, which can be noted in this diff[1]:

  1. Each of the five races (White, Black, Asian, American Indian/Alaska Native, and Pacific Islander) is enumerated both as race alone, and as race alone or in combination. We need to decide which will be listed first in the article, and whether both will be given in the infobox.
  2. There has clearly been a significant change in how Hispanics/Latinos are counted. Hispanics who identified their race as White alone dropped from 27 million in 2010 to 13 million in 2020, while Hispanics who identified as two or more races rose from 3 million to 20 million. How should this be dealt with, especially in the articles Hispanic and Latino Americans and White Hispanic and Latino Americans? Will they still be considered as white, or not? --Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 03:17, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
A similar discussion about this is ongoing at Talk:United States#How to approach 2020 census data (ethnicity and race). I suggested that we start listing both race alone and in comination on all articles where it is necessary to list this data. 2020 census data on race and ethnicity is not directly comparable to data from past censuses, due to changes in methodology, something the census bureau has cautioned. Bneu2013 (talk) 16:45, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Tuck School of Business FAR

I have nominated Tuck School of Business for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Bumbubookworm (talk) 13:08, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

California College Republicans

has been recreated by a new editor; experienced editors might want to check their work. I see some unsourced BLP claims, and some unsourced non-notable namedrops. 2005 AFD on it was kinda leaning WP:NOPAGE though most of the discussion focused on how poorly the article was written; I leave it to regular America editors to decide whether it still applies since a lot has happened in American politics since then. Regards! Usedtobecool ? 04:29, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Death of Gabby Petito#Requested move 21 September 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Death of Gabby Petito#Requested move 21 September 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. SK2242 (talk) 21:43, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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